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RE: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author linus
Full name Linus Tolke
Date 2003-09-06 08:44:51 PDT
Message For the promoting part, promoting it as a news item on the ArgoUML web site
is another think you should do.

    /Linus

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Erdmann [mailto:michael.erdm​ann at snafu dot de]
> Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:42
> To: modules-dev at argouml dot tigris dot org
> Subject: Re: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?
>
>
> Linus Tolke wrote:
>
> >Michael Erdmann wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> >
> >>These things are fine for me. But i am afraid, that the code generator
> >>may promote
> >>my personal view on several Ada95 implementation issues. I am not sure
> >>if this should
> >>become a part of the "product".
> >>
> >>
> >[...]
> >
> >Don't be afraid! Since you are the first person interested in Ada95 your
> >views on Ada95 implementation issues will be gratefully accepted by the
> >ArgoUML project and will be gouverning the implementation of the Ada95
> >parts. This will be so until someone within the ArgoUML project
> objects to
> >your views at which point a fruitsome discussion will lead to an
> improvement
> >of the ArgoUML product.
> >
> Fine
>
> >Another way of formulating it is that it is better that you do
> something for
> >the project being prepared to defend or change it, than not
> doing anything.
> >
> >I would suggest that you
> >1. Finish the first working implementation.
> >2. Package it in some way (this is where I think it would fit
> right in there
> >with the other languages C#, C++, PHP).
> >3. Show it / promote it to other Ada95 persons both within the ArgoUML
> >community and within some Ada95 community (we could start a new
> mailing list
> >for Ada95 if need arises).
> >
> Okay, i will follow this roadmap. The first step will be to provide
> code generation. In the
> second step i like to provide what you call a round trip for Ada as well.
>
> At the end of each step i like to promote the software via comp.lang.ada!
>
> Michael
>
> >4. Improve the first implementation based on the input you get from the
> >promotion.
> >
> > /Linus
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author merdmann
Full name Michael Erdmann
Date 2003-09-04 11:41:59 PDT
Message Linus Tolke wrote:

>Michael Erdmann wrote:
>[...]
>
>
>>These things are fine for me. But i am afraid, that the code generator
>>may promote
>>my personal view on several Ada95 implementation issues. I am not sure
>>if this should
>>become a part of the "product".
>>
>>
>[...]
>
>Don't be afraid! Since you are the first person interested in Ada95 your
>views on Ada95 implementation issues will be gratefully accepted by the
>ArgoUML project and will be gouverning the implementation of the Ada95
>parts. This will be so until someone within the ArgoUML project objects to
>your views at which point a fruitsome discussion will lead to an improvement
>of the ArgoUML product.
>
Fine

>Another way of formulating it is that it is better that you do something for
>the project being prepared to defend or change it, than not doing anything.
>
>I would suggest that you
>1. Finish the first working implementation.
>2. Package it in some way (this is where I think it would fit right in there
>with the other languages C#, C++, PHP).
>3. Show it / promote it to other Ada95 persons both within the ArgoUML
>community and within some Ada95 community (we could start a new mailing list
>for Ada95 if need arises).
>
Okay, i will follow this roadmap. The first step will be to provide
code generation. In the
second step i like to provide what you call a round trip for Ada as well.

At the end of each step i like to promote the software via comp.lang.ada!

Michael

>4. Improve the first implementation based on the input you get from the
>promotion.
>
> /Linus
>
>
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RE: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author linus
Full name Linus Tolke
Date 2003-09-03 14:49:04 PDT
Message Michael Erdmann wrote:
[...]
> These things are fine for me. But i am afraid, that the code generator
> may promote
> my personal view on several Ada95 implementation issues. I am not sure
> if this should
> become a part of the "product".
[...]

Don't be afraid! Since you are the first person interested in Ada95 your
views on Ada95 implementation issues will be gratefully accepted by the
ArgoUML project and will be gouverning the implementation of the Ada95
parts. This will be so until someone within the ArgoUML project objects to
your views at which point a fruitsome discussion will lead to an improvement
of the ArgoUML product.

Another way of formulating it is that it is better that you do something for
the project being prepared to defend or change it, than not doing anything.

I would suggest that you
1. Finish the first working implementation.
2. Package it in some way (this is where I think it would fit right in there
with the other languages C#, C++, PHP).
3. Show it / promote it to other Ada95 persons both within the ArgoUML
community and within some Ada95 community (we could start a new mailing list
for Ada95 if need arises).
4. Improve the first implementation based on the input you get from the
promotion.

    /Linus


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Re: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author merdmann
Full name Michael Erdmann
Date 2003-09-02 12:39:51 PDT
Message Linus Tolke wrote:

>Hello Michael!
>
>That depends on what standards you are not following and why.
>
Since my intention was not so mutch to implement some standard but to
generate
resonable code out of UML which conforms to the style used within the
Ada 95
community.

>My position is that it would be best to add it in the same way as C#, C++,
>and PHP are in the project. There are several reasons for this:
>1. It would be simple to get Xenofarm to build it regularly.
>2. Every developer would feel the need to keep it updated when making
>changes to the core ArgoUML that affects the language parts.
>3. We have not yet solved how internationalization are done for the modules.
>Keeping it all together until solved makes it simpler for the person
>actually solving the problem to get the whole picture.
>4. It would be possible to move issues in issuezilla between the ada part
>and the other parts while investigating what the problem is or what the best
>solution is.
>5. We have not yet solved how the modules are going to be documented i.e. if
>they are to be documented as a chapter in the User Manual or in separate
>documents. How will this work with context sensitive help? Where do the
>modules plug in their part? How does it get there? Same reasoning as for
>internationalization about keeping it all together.
>6. You will have standards and tools already in place.
>
These things are fine for me. But i am afraid, that the code generator
may promote
my personal view on several Ada95 implementation issues. I am not sure
if this should
become a part of the "product".

>
>The drawbacks are:
>1. Cumbersome for you to commit changes since you don't currently have a
>developer role in the ArgoUML project.
>2. The ArgoUML project cvs repository, issuezilla and web site is already
>rather large. It is hard to get a grip on what it is.
>3. If you don't like the standards and tools of ArgoUML you will have to
>adapt.
>
> /Linus
>
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Erdmann [mailto:michael.erdm​ann at snafu dot de]
>>Sent: den 31 augusti 2003 20:23
>>To: modules-dev at argouml dot tigris dot org
>>Subject: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?
>>
>>
>>Hallo,
>>
>>i am making some progress with my code generator for Ada95. Since i
>>am not following
>>the standard i am wondering if i should start a seperate project at
>>tigirs? What is your
>>position?
>>
>>Regards
>> M.Erdmann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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RE: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author linus
Full name Linus Tolke
Date 2003-09-01 16:58:51 PDT
Message Hello Michael!

That depends on what standards you are not following and why.

My position is that it would be best to add it in the same way as C#, C++,
and PHP are in the project. There are several reasons for this:
1. It would be simple to get Xenofarm to build it regularly.
2. Every developer would feel the need to keep it updated when making
changes to the core ArgoUML that affects the language parts.
3. We have not yet solved how internationalization are done for the modules.
Keeping it all together until solved makes it simpler for the person
actually solving the problem to get the whole picture.
4. It would be possible to move issues in issuezilla between the ada part
and the other parts while investigating what the problem is or what the best
solution is.
5. We have not yet solved how the modules are going to be documented i.e. if
they are to be documented as a chapter in the User Manual or in separate
documents. How will this work with context sensitive help? Where do the
modules plug in their part? How does it get there? Same reasoning as for
internationalization about keeping it all together.
6. You will have standards and tools already in place.

The drawbacks are:
1. Cumbersome for you to commit changes since you don't currently have a
developer role in the ArgoUML project.
2. The ArgoUML project cvs repository, issuezilla and web site is already
rather large. It is hard to get a grip on what it is.
3. If you don't like the standards and tools of ArgoUML you will have to
adapt.

    /Linus



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Erdmann [mailto:michael.erdm​ann at snafu dot de]
> Sent: den 31 augusti 2003 20:23
> To: modules-dev at argouml dot tigris dot org
> Subject: [argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?
>
>
> Hallo,
>
> i am making some progress with my code generator for Ada95. Since i
> am not following
> the standard i am wondering if i should start a seperate project at
> tigirs? What is your
> position?
>
> Regards
> M.Erdmann
>
>
>
>
>
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[argouml-modules-dev] To start a project or not?

Author merdmann
Full name Michael Erdmann
Date 2003-08-31 11:22:53 PDT
Message Hallo,

i am making some progress with my code generator for Ada95. Since i
am not following
the standard i am wondering if i should start a seperate project at
tigirs? What is your
position?

Regards
     M.Erdmann


 


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